The Can Church Be Healthy? Podcast

Pastor Jon Shirley and therapist Tom Page are teaming up for a brand-new podcast that explores the lived experience of church in the modern West—asking honest questions about the fruit it’s producing, from the beautiful to the broken.

In a cultural moment marked by disillusionment, scandal, and shifting faith, Jon and Tom bring hope-filled, thoughtful conversations about what’s gone wrong, what’s worth redeeming, and how the Church can reflect the heart of Jesus again.